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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE
FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT, IN AND
FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA
JEFFREY EPSTEiN,
CASE NO.: 5O2009CAO4O800XXXXMBAG
vs.
Plaintiff,
SCOTT ROTHSTE]IN, individually,
BRADLEY J. EDWARDS, individually,
and EM., individually,
Defendants.
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NOTICE OF FILING
COMES NOW the Defendant/CounterClaimant, BRADLEY EDWARDS, by and
through his undersigned counsel, and hereby files the attached transcript of the telephone
interview of Virginia Roberts to supplement the proffer made in support of Counter-Claimant’s
Motion for Leave to Amend to Assert Punitive Damages.
I HEREBY CERTIFY that a true and correct copy of the foregoing has been furnished by
U.S. Mail to all Counsel on the attached list on this ______ day of May 2011.
Jack Scarola
Florida Bar No.: 169440
Searcy Denney Scarola Barnhart & Shipley, P.A.
2139 Palm Beach Lakes Boulevard
West Palm Beach, Florida 33409
Phone: (561) 686-6300
Fax: (561) 383-9451
Attorney for Defendant/CounterClaimant
Edwards
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Notice of Filing Supplement
COUNSEL LIST
Jack A. Goldberger, Esquire
jgoldberger@agwpa.com;
smahoney@agwpa.com
Atterbury, Goldberger & Weiss, P.A.
250 Australian Avenue South, Suite 1400
West Palm Beach, FL 33401
Phone: (561)-659-8300
Fax: (561)-835-8691
Attorneys for Jeffrey Epstein
Martin Weinberg, Esquire
Martin Weinberg, P.C.
20 Park Plaza, Suite 1000
Suffolk, MA 02116
Attorneys for Jeffrey Epstein
Farmer, Jaffe, Weissing, Edwards, Fistos &
Lehrman, PL
425 N. Andrews Avenue, Suite 2
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301
Phone: (954)-524-2820
Fax: (954)-524-2822
Attorneys for Jeffrey Epstein
Joseph L. Ackerman, Jr., Esquire
jla~fowler-white.com
Fowler White Burnett, P.A.
901 Phillips Point West
777 5 Flagler Drive
West Palm Beach, FL 3340 1-6170
Phone: (56 1)-802-9044
Fax: (561)-802-9976
Attorneys for Jeffrey Epstein
Marc S. Nurik
marc@nuriklaw.com
Law Offices of Marc S. Nurik
One E Broward Blvd., Suite 700
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33301
Phone: (954)-745-5849
Fax: (954)-745-3556
Attorneys for Scott Rothstein
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TELECON
PRIVILEGED PURSUANT TO FS 766.205(4) and/or WORK PRODUCT
PARTICIPANTS:
RE:
JACK SCAROLA
BRAD EDWARDS
VIRGINIA ROBERTS
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DATE: April 07, 2011
JS:
BE:
Virginia, Jack Scarola and Brad Edwards
Hi Virginia.
V: Hi Jack! Hi Brad! How you guys doing?
JS: We’re doing fine, thank you. I’m sorry for all of the trouble and before we go any
further, let me tell you, if I have your permission, I have started a tape recorder and I
want to be able to tape this conversation from the very beginning. Is that alright with
you?
V: Sure, that’s fine, Jack. No problem
JS: Ok, good, thank you. I appreciate that. Let me start off by introducing myself. I know
that Brad has spoken to you about me but I am Brad’s lawyer, and I assume that you can
confirm that you and I have never had any communication before. Is that right?
V: That’s correct.
JS: Alright. I have, however, gotten some information from Brad about conversations that
you have had with him, and that will enable me, hopefully, to make this a little bit more
efficient and take up a minimum amount of your time while still getting the information
that we think is going to be helpful to us and to any jury that might ultimately have to
hear these facts.
So, let me begin by asking you first to tell us what your full name is.
V: Virginia Louise Roberts. That’s my maiden name. My married name is Virginia Louise
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JS:
Could you spell your last name for us? That is your married last name:
V:
JS:
Airight, thank you, and where are you living right now?
V: I live in Australia.
JS:
And how long have you resided in Australia.
V: Thisismyl9 th year.
JS:
That is where you are right now, correct? We’ve reached you in Australia for this phone
conversation?
V: That is correct, yes.
JS:
And what time is it in Australia right now?
V: I think it’s about 9:00 now.
JS: Ok. That’s 9am, correct?
V: That’s correct.
JS: Airight. Virginia, the reason for this conversation is because it is our understanding that
you know a man by the name Jeffrey Epstein, and I want to begin by asking you please to
tell us about the circumstances of your first meeting Mr. Epstein.
V: Ok. I was introduced to Mr. Epstein by Ghislaine Maxwell. I was working at Donald
Trump’s spa in Mar-a-Lago and I was prompted by Ghislaine to come to Jeffrey’s
mansion in Palm Beach that afternoon after work to make some extra money and to learn
about massage. She met me at the spa, and I was reading a book about anatomy, so I was
already interested in massage therapy as it was and not having any of the education or
you know anything behind me, I thought this was a great opportunity to work for her and
go. So, I went to Jeffrey’s mansion about 5 or 6 in the afternoon. My dad drove me
there. My dad worked at Mar-a-Lago with me, and he met Ghislaine and she seemed like
a nice, proper English lady, and she knows, I mean, you know, one time then _once
before I left to travel overseas, she just seemed really nice and like she would like to help
me out. So my dad left, and I had no problem getting home that night, one of her drivers
would take me back after my trial. So she led me upstairs, and into Jeffrey’s bedroom,
and past that is Jeffrey’s massage room, which has got his steam room and a shower and
a massage table, and there is actually an extra room that has, that nobody knows about it,
it’s kinda like a secret room and it’s got a whole bunch of decorative pictures of
pornographic literature and sex toys and I can ? what happened in there.
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JS:
When you say that the room was hidden, Virginia, how was the room concealed?
V: It wasn’t like a door that you would normally go into, like some kind of special opening,
you open that and then a little door, so it looks like it’s a little closet so-to-speak, but
when you walk in there, it’s obviously a lot bigger than just a closet. It wasn’t too big,
but it was bigger, you know. It wasn’t a gigantic room, it was just like a small room,
which you know, it probably could fit some shoes in there, it had racks of shoes, boxes,
some sweatshirts neatly folded, and the ceiling to the floor was covered in pornographic
pictures of the girls that he had met.
JS:
Whenyou say...
V: So anyways, that was getting there, and I was introduced to Jeffrey, he was laying naked
on top of the massage table, and obviously for one, I’m a 15 year old girl and seeing him
on the table was weird but, also learning about anatomy and massage, I thought this
would be part of it. So obviously, I thought it was part of the massage program, so I said
ok, this is fme. And, he then instructed me on how to touch the body, Jeffrey’s body,
how to massage him, and for the first hour, it was actually a real massage, maybe not an
hour, maybe like 40 minutes or something, but of something like that _and that’s when he
turned over on the other side and to expose himself fully. So then Ghislaine told me that
she wanted me to undress and began to take off my shirt and skirt, my white uniform
from Mar-A-Lago, she also took off her shirt and got undressed, and so I was there with
just my undies on, and she was completely bare, and made some kind of little flake about
the underwear that I was wearing because it wasn’t my normal sexy girl underwear and
just like, I don’t know, had red hearts on it or something like that; just your normal, you
know, real cute underwear. Anyways, so during all of this I’m kind of like what’s going
on, how do I act, what do I say, I was so afraid of, not afraid or fearful for my life but
_unsure of how all this started and wanting to obtain a profession_ I was so afraid
thinking about upsetting and disappointing them, I don’t know, it’s a weird situation by
far and I was expected to _Lick his nipples, instructed on how to do so by J.E_ and give
him oral sex while he wanted to fondle me, and then at the end, I was told by Ghislaine to
get on top and straddle Jeffrey sexually, and when we were done, we went and had a
shower in the room and Jeffrey told me to wash him up and down, you know with a bar
of soap and make sure he was all cleaned up. And then he took me downstairs and took
me to two of the guards and told John to bring me home. John was the butler at the time.
JS: Let me interrupt you for just a moment there if I could, Virginia. You mentioned as you
were recounting those details that you were 15 years old at the time. What is your date of
birth?
V: August9th, 1983
JS:
And can you tell us please, as best you’re able to estimate it, what the date was when this
first encounter occurred?
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V: I’ve got it written down. It’s like - I’m not good with math — hold on — I thought I wrote
it down but I didn’t. I’m not too sure, I think it was 1998 off the top of my head and
around June of 1998, I would say as I was turning 16 at the end of the summer.
JS: Alright. You talked about the room where Jeffrey had the pornographic photographs.
Did you actually see that room on the occasion ofyour first visit there?
V: No, I got to see that room a few visits after but I was just trying to describe that room to
you guys so you knew exactly what room I was talking about.
JS: Another question for you, and I don’t mean to be prying into your personal life, and if I
ask you any questions at all that you’re uncomfortable answering, then you just tell me
that and we’ll move on, because I appreciate your cooperation and the last I thing I want
to do is impose upon that cooperation, but can you tell us please just generally what kind
of sexual experience you had had prior to this confrontation with Jeffrey?
V: Yeah, sure. A close family friend has sexually abused me, and I was on the streets at 13
years old. I was picked up by a 67 year old man named Ron _Eppinger_ who did exactly
what Jeffrey did with me abuse and violate my youthfulness — & I was with him for 6
months. So, he was gone and then I had this boyfriend who was like my school friend
from young days but we just kept in contact with each other and we were on and off
constantly, and that was Tony Figeroua_, and there was also another younger guy was
near my age, Michael, I can’t remember his last name, but yeah, there, I mean, there
wasn’t like a string of men or anything, but there was Ron, like I told you, and he was the
first guy expecting me to do so-called disgusting affairs. Jeffrey actually knew Ron,
which was quite weird when I told Jeffrey the story about Ron, and Jeffrey had actually
met him, and yeah. Anyway, just another story, and yeah, there were a couple of men,
but that gives you an idea.
JS: Now when you described the photographs in the room as pornographic, tell me just a
little bit about the photographs, if you would please? First, how many of them were
there?
V: At least 100, and like I said, they covered the room from the ceiling, not the ceiling but
from the top of the edge of the wall to the bottom of the floor. I want to say at least a
hundred, even more, there could have been more in the boxes _Some of them were A4_
photographs, like the large size, some of naked women posing, you know, positions, sexy
positions. Others were, you know, some girls had bikinis on, and it wasn’t so
pornographic, but it was all women, and it was all in a sexual nature.
JS:
Were there photographs where more than one person appeared?
V: Oh yeah, plenty of them. There were lots of naked photographs, I mean I was just trying
to give you a visual range. There was anything from 5x6s to 4x8s to 8x4s. Some of them
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had frames, some of them were out of frames, but they were all, like I said, they were all
women, they were all sexual in nature.
JS:
Was it your impression that there were a hundred photos of a hundred different people or
were there multiple photos of the same woman or girl?
V: There was definitely a lot of different girls. I mean it wasn’t easy to sit there and say,
you weren’t finding 5 girls out of some photos, no. Were there a hundred different ones?
There could have been pictures of some girls, I really couldn’t get close necessarily to
actually recognize faces or anything like that. But if you, you know, the range of them
were all different, majority of them were different, yeah.
JS:
Did there ever come a point in time when you became aware that a photograph of you
had been added to the collection?
V: Yes, there was. Ghislaine took several nude photographs of me for Jeffrey. So, yeah,
there were pictures of me and there were pictures, he wasn’t shy, that wasn’t the only
place in his house that he kept the photos. He liked photos all over his house. If you
looked in his den or on his desk or in on the hail table, a giant hall table in his house,
there were at least a hundred photos of girls in frames. Not all of them were naked, a lot
of the ones that were all around his house were not naked girls posing pornographically,
some were pictures of celebrities and politicians he had known_or things like that or had
pants on or whatever, but yeah, there was a lot of mixed photographs in the outside ones.
JS: Were there any photographs of girls or young women that you knew or that you
subsequently came to know that you saw in the house?
V: Yeah, yeah, there was. There was pictures of Nadia Bjournik , pictures
Sarah Keller, pictures Emmy, pictures of me, pictures of the regulars, but a lot of the
girls, sometimes Jeffrey could have like 7 girls a day, and he would only see those girls
once if he got bored. I don’t know. These weren’t my days. I heard he’s gotten a lot
sloppier since I left. So, I don’t know anyways, but when I knew him, there was just a, it
seemed, there was such an influx of girls coming in and out, so did I recognize a lot of
them? Maybe, maybe not, but then they were all definitely beautiful, they were all
ranging in age, some of them young, some of them older in their 20’s, I mean it was just
they were all beautiful.
JS: You’ve told us about the first visit. Was there any discussion on the occasion ofthat first
visit about your returning?
V: Yes, they were very pleased with me and after the encounter was fmished, the sexual
encounter, he went and told me I did well and I have a lot of potential to become a
massage therapist and if I’d like I could return tomorrow, you know, and do the same
thing and get paid $200/hi, so Jeffrey insisted that I come after work, and over the next
few days, I guess the relationship grew into more, and within a couple of weeks, not even
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a couple of weeks, maybe a week, I had quit Mar-a-Lago and I was working for Jeffrey
full time.
JS: Ok, let’s talk about your job .at Mar-a-Lago, if we could. You said that your Dad was
working there. What was his position at Mar-a-Lago?
V: He was a maintenance supervisor I think is what it was called? He like managed the
tennis courts and air conditioners and things like that.
JS:
What is your Dad’s full name?
V: Sky William Roberts.
JS:
And is he still living here in South Florida now?
V: No, he’s not, he’s in California.
JS: Ok. Is your Dad aware of what is currently going on with regard to your having made
public statements about your relationship with Jeffrey?
V: Yes, he is well aware of it. I told my family even before all this stuff came out, because
they were the first ones contacted by the journalists from Mail on Sunday. I know that
they the Mail on Sunday printed that I had gone out and tried to, I mean I think one of the
photos said that I was angry that I saw Jeffrey and the Prince walking together and that is
why I came out and went public with everything. Not true. I mean, I am angry about
how they are still up to their old ways together and that they’re still hanging out but I
didn’t contact the Mail on Sunday and I didn’t bring it out. I figured that everyone was
going to bring it out anyway and I better bring it out the right way. He’s known
everything from the start, and my family is very supportive with everything going on.
JS: I’m kind of going to jump around a little bit and I apologize for that, but since the subject
has come up, tell me first of all why you are providing this cooperation to us, and I am
certainly very appreciative of it, but I want you to tell us why it is you’ve chosen to spend
time with us on the telephone and provide this information that you’re now providing.
V: I’m out to help the bigger picture, you know, I think all of us can make a big difference in
a lot of other people’s lives and I think that this has gone on long enough and it’s a big
slap in my face that he can get away with hurting me so bad let alone so many other girls
and laugh about it. I guess I talked to you guys out because I want to see the right thing
happen, not just to him, but I want people in the world to understand this is not the way
of life, you know, it’s not acceptable to go out procure young girls and make them think
that, this is the way you should be living and that’s all. Yeah, I guess my reason for
doing it is to help the bigger picture, you know, I’m a big believer in karma and I believe
that good things will come back to you, so I guess that’s why I’m doing this.
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JS:
Just for the record, neither Brad, nor I, nor anyone representing that they have anything to
do with us has made any promises to you. Is that correct?
V: That is correct. I’ll tell you, since this is our first conversation, that nobody has made me
feel like I’ve been bribed or bought or had to say anything. I’ve told you anything that I
know from my own self, not some things somebody told me. If anything, Brad’s been
extra careful not to tell me anything and let me do all the talking, so it’s quite opposite I
think.
JS: Airight. Let’s get back then to the story of your relationship with Jeffrey, and we’ve
talked about your first encounter with him and how it evolved from that into your full
time employment with Jeffrey, but what were you doing at Mar-a-Lago before you quit
Mar-a-Lago?
V: I was just a locker room attendant and sometimes I did babysitting for the rich and
famous. So, I wasn’t anything big. I worked in the spa area. That’s why I was studying
anatomy, because I was really really interested in becoming a _massage therapist, and at
the locker room, I didn’t do much. I mean I was making tea for a living, I would, you
know, make sure the toilet paper had a little triangle in it after everybody went to the
toilet, or wipe down the water from the basin, you know, it was a very easy peasy job.
JS:
Did you get that job through your Dad?
V: Yes, my Dad got me the job.
JS:
Ok, and you were only 15 years old at the time, were they aware of how old you were at
Mar-a-Lago?
V: Of course, definitely. We had to go through extensive, you know, we even had to get
drug tested and id test and so on and so forth. I mean, Mantas (?) is very strict on
employment, yeah, everybody knew.
JS: Ok. Was there ever any conversation with Ghislaine about how old you were before you
were taken to Jeffrey’s mansion?
V: No. She didn’t ask me how old I was from the start, but when I did get to Jeffrey’s
mansion, it was discussed how old I was.
JS:
With whom?
V: During the entire hour of what I call the legitimate massage I was giving him, it was cat
and mouse games getting information from me to find out who I am, am I a willing
participant in these kind of things, and how would I react if they were about to take the
next step. But they got information off of me, they got my age, they got my, a little bit of
my history so they knew I was, you know, not very stable at home, and they knew that,
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you know, I was actually interested in making my life better by studying so what they
were offering me was a chance to become a legitimate masseuse but it was getting
trained. They would have people show me how to work the body and be called a
massage therapist and get me books on it, and you know, keep me interested, and every
time, you know, I was with Jeffrey, literally was about massages, I don’t mean just going
in and have sex with him. I mean massage, because it would always start out with
massage and then it would lead into sometimes other things.
JS: Airight, once this evolved, into full time employment, what did full time employment
mean?
V: That was entirely having to travel with Jeffrey in every city. When he was in Palm
Beach, I stayed at my apartment, and he would call me to his house once or twice a day
sometimes, and that’s, you know, do things with him. Sometimes we’d go out shopping,
sometimes we’d go out and watch a movie. You know, simple things like that, go to an
expo or a fair, whatever it was. But when we were in other cities, I was at my
apartment, I lived with him full time. What I mean by full time is even in the middle of
the night, I could get a ring on my phone next to me and tell me to come in his room, you
know, so it was literally full time.
JS:
When you say that when you were in Palm Beach you were living in your apartment,
were you living on your own or were you living with members of your family at that
time?
V: No, after I quit Mar-a-Lago, Jeffrey offered to get me an apartment in Palm Beach
somewhere, Royal Palm Beach, and it was a nice apartment. He furnished it for me, it
was absolutely beautiful, but yeah, that’s the only time I would spend time away from
him really.
JS:
This apartment was on Royal Palm Beach Boulevard or out in the Village of Royal Palm
Beach?
V: I so honestly don’t remember. I’ve been trying to rack my brain because the FBI was
asking the same thing and were trying to fmd it, but yeah, I’m Not sur_. I didn’t get to
spend as much time in it, I was only there about an entire week out of every month
probably, but the majority of the time I was with Jeffrey anyways. It was somewhere in
Royal Palm Beach. I don’t know about Royal Palm Beach drive. I don’t even remember
the Royal Palm Beach drive anymore so I’m not too sure.
JS: Ok, let me see if I can draw the distinction for you and maybe that will help you to help
us? Royal Palm Beach is a village that is...
V: No, no, no, I got Royal Palm Beach, I just didn’t know the Royal Palm Beach Drive, like
what street it’s off of. Were you talking about a street?
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JS: Yes, I was talking about a street. Royal Palm Drive is on the island of Palm Beach, and
it’s a street that is lined with large royal palm trees, and I’m wondering if this was an
apartment on the island or was this an apartment out west oftown...
V: No, it was actually in Royal Palm Beach, not on the island.
JS:
Airight.
V: I would be driven, it was closer to my family than it was closer to him. I wanted to be
close enough to everybody else so that when I was in town, I could just go see them
quickly.
JS:
Ok. So we’re not talking about Royal Palm Boulevard. We’re talking about the town of
Royal Palm west of town. Jeffrey got you an apartment out there.
V: That’s correct.
JS:
When he was in Palm Beach, you were generally not staying at the mansion, you were
staying at the apartment that he got for you out west of town.
V: That’s correct.
JS:
Ok.
V: I mean then there was times, I don’t wanna say that every time I stayed at my apartment.
There was times we’d fly back from some city maybe too late at night to really want to
go back home, so you know, it’s like 12:00 at night or 1:00 in the morning. I was just
staying in the yellow room, or something like that; one of the guest rooms in Palm Beach.
But majority of the time, I would definitely want to get back to my own apartment.
JS: Alight. What were the general hours of your full time employment when ...?
V: There was not set hours. It wasn’t like logging, and you know, hitting the shift button,
nothing like that. The way I would get paid would be, ok, if I was in Palm Beach, I
would get $200 an hour to massage Jeffrey or some of his friends and then go home. So
it would be like that. If I was traveling with him, it would be per massage, so I would be
getting paid per day. So I wouldn’t be getting paid on an hourly rate. He wouldn’t say
ok, today you’re going to work for me from 7:00 in the morning until 8:00 at night. It
never like that. I was on call all the time.
JS:
When you were here in Palm Beach, were you actually getting paid only for the time
spent massaging Jeffrey or were you getting paid from your arrival at his house until you
left the house?
V: From the time the massage started.
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JS: From the time the massage started. Ok.
V: Sometimes we’d go there and I would wait for a while or talk with G’hislaine and Jeffrey
about something or we’d meet somewhere and talk about something. A lot of times, I’d
meet him upstairs in his room where he was ready for me. But then there was a lot of
times where it didn’t start right away, so he couldn’t really pay me from the time I got
there sometimes unless it was just paid from the time I massaged him til the time the
massage was over.
JS: Airight. Did your duties for Jeffrey ever include anything other than providing him
massages and sex in connection with the massages? Did he ever give you any other
responsibilities to perform?
V: I was asked to do the same things that I did to Jeffrey to a few of his fellow colleagues as
well. Those were my duties. He looked at it this way is that I was going to be a
professional massage therapist, and maybe I needed some clientele, so he had me perform
erotic massages on a few people.
JS:
Did that start here in Palm Beach County?
V: It did. The first one did.
JS: Ok, and how long after you first met Jeffrey did he first ask you to provide services for
one ofhis friends?
V: About 9 months, I think it was. It wasn’t a full year, it wasn’t 6 months, but between 6
months and a year, which is why I’m saying 9 months.
JS:
And when you provided services to a friend of Jeffrey’s, who paid you for those services?
V: Jeffrey would. I would get paid the next time I saw Jeffrey, so if I was invited to the
Breakers Hotel to give a massage, I would give a massage, I would go home, and the next
day when I saw Jeffrey, he would pay me for what I did. So, it was paid always by him,
it was set up by him, so he always knew what to pay me. I did get tips and things like
that, if you call it that, you know, like a hundred dollar tip or something from a few of
them, you know, yeah.
JS:
Was there..
V: There was always payment from Jeffrey.
JS:
Was there ever any discussion with Jeffrey about what was expected to happen when you
provided massage services to one ofJeffrey’s friends?
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V: In a roundabout way, yes. In so many ways, Jeffrey really really had to train me, and that
was why Ghislaine said that she and Jeffrey enjoyed me so much was because they never
really had to speak much to me to tell me what they wanted me to do. You know, I
wasn’t waiting for you know, their directions. Jeffrey would tell me to go give an erotic
massage to friends. He wouldn’t give me much detail about it, but he would say to treat
them like you treat me.
JS:
Did he refer to it as an erotic massage or are those your words?
V: Erotic massage is my words. That’s exactly what it was, but he would tell me to treat
them how he wanted it, so I’d do what he wanted without having to say to me words
more. I mean, I complied with what he wanted because it was somewhat of a, I don’t
know, I don’t know how to say it, it was just very mindboggling how I let him have so
much control or power over me basically. The massages would be routine to what Jeffrey
wanted with my so called new clientele, and with their own words would ask me to
provide them with sexual pleasure after the massage.
JS:
Did you ever report back to Jeffrey about what happened when you provided massages to
his friends?
V: Of course, of course, and I knew that his friends were reporting back to him as well
because there were times where he would instigate conversation by saying you know, so
and so had a great time, you did wonderful, you know so and so gave me a call and told
J.E how it went...
JS:
Did Jeffrey ever elicit details from you? “Tell me what happened, describe in detail what
went on?”